Welcome to Episode 81 of Speculate! The Podcast for Writers, Readers and Fans. In this episode we continue our triptych of shows on the work of Lauren Beukes, specifically The Shining Girls, by talking to the journalist, screenwriter and author who uses her diverse background and experiences to inform her writing–and infuse it with passion and empathy, as this often powerful conversation suggests. We learn something about the challenges incumbent in writing a book about a serial killer and the role fantasy plays in Lauren’s fiction, along with a frank discussion about how justice denied in real life can often be upheld in fiction–and how that can set an example for what real life should be. All in all, this is one of the more intriguing interviews we’ve had the chance to do, and we hope you’ll enjoy it as much as we did. If you like what you hear, don’t forget to check back next week for our final show in the triptych, a discussion of some of the specific writing techniques used in The Shining Girls. Until then, thanks as always for listening to the show, and please continue to spread the word!